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  • #4725
    Avatar photoJose_Bombadino
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      How to just put multiple musics on same score like did on https://orchestralibrary.com/Acrobat/altpos-mozreq.pdf for the trombone alto part of Mozart Requiem

      The creator of this file confirmed it was done on Encore (Encore. v4.1) and dosent remember how to do it again…

      #4756

      But, does he still have the Encore 4.1 source file? I you can have it, can you send me a copy?

      #4757
      Avatar photoJose_Bombadino
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        I asked for the source file, it seems he doesn’t have it anymore.

        #4758
        Avatar photoMike Halloran
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          I’m not certain what you mean by ”multiple musics” unless you are referring to the Cues. Cues and clef changes are easy to create in Encore and are explained pretty clearly in the Manual.

          Someone did a nice job on that trombone part. I am assuming this was done in Windows. The Mac version of Encore never had slurs that looked this nice.

          #4759
          Avatar photoJose_Bombadino
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            I was trying to find someone who knew how to put these musics into a single file like No. 1 Dies Irae and No. 3 Rex tremendae with the correct measure number with the title and everything.

            The creator talked about using some undocumented advantages, so I’m asking if anyone would know how to do it. Done on the Mac version of Encore!

            #4760

            I wonder if this pdf was not created, taking as a source a set of pdfs (one per “piece”), using a PDF editor. I think that PDFmerge does that only for whole pages, but perhaps more sophisticated applications such as Adobe Acrobat.

            #4761
            Avatar photoGeoffrey
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              My question about producing the chart in Encore 4.1 or 4.5.5 or 5.0 is how to make the measure numbers appear as shown in the PDF. The rest of the document could be made by moving the staff at the start of each new movement where you want it and putting in the title in a text box. In looking at the measure numbers, I know of no way to restart the measure numbers in 4.5.5 or 5.0. (I work on a PC.) Also the measure numbers are farther to the right than my versions of Encore will produce. The only way I know to do what is shown in this PDF is to add measure numbers as text boxes. Then you can restart the sequence as often as you like. Lining them up takes a little bit of work, but you can use a vertical line object to do the lining up and then delete the line.

              #4762
              Avatar photoJose_Bombadino
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                I have Encore v4.1.1 For Windows, i will do some test, but as far as i know from talking to the creator and analyzing the PDF i would say it was done using some undocumented freatures on Encore.

                It would be very interesting to know how to handle the program and discover such hidden options.

                #4763

                I have looked at this PDF with a text editor – and useful information is near the end.
                The PDF wasn’t created directly using Encore 4.1, but by Steven Sherrill using probably “Acrobat Distiller 5.0 for Macintosh”. It looks like an aggregator of postscript output.

                The file itself is in a folder called “Acrobat” on the “Symphony Orchestra Library Center”, which is still managed by Steven Sherrill. If you want to know how this process works, you may want to contact this organization, their site offers an e-mail address for inquiries: noten@orchestralibrary.com

                #4767
                Avatar photoMike Halloran
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                  I still don’t understand what “multiple musics” means.

                  Do you mean multiple movements in one file? If so, that does require a PDF Editor app. There are hundreds that can do this from the free including Apple’s Preview and Cute PDF to very expensive such as Adobe’s Acrobat DC.

                  #4884
                  Avatar photoJohannes
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                    … If so, that does require a PDF Editor app.

                    You can do it with any Publishing Software – ‘print’ each Encore file in a graphic file (I mostly used TIF Files in higher resolution) and then I edit them all together – how ever I needed it – you even can modify every single graphic file with any Image Editor for all the things, what are not possible, or too complicated or too time consuming with Encore (or any other Notation software).
                    I was always wondering, why so many “Music Notation Software” Users, want to do all of this, all the Layout, adding Images and additional text – whatever – with the noation software, many (most) times it is so much easier and way faster just using another software…

                    I hope, you understand what I mean… my english seems not to be good enough for this kind of explanation…

                    I did all if this (and in the way like that) – long before Encore – already on my Atari, using “Notator” Software and some additional Publishing Software…

                    #4885
                    Avatar photoMario2
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                      That’s a very good idea Johannes. I hadn’t even thought of something like that, although I like to try out alternatives.
                      But so far I haven’t reached the limits of what’s possible when editing in Encore. But if I ever need it, I will gladly fall back on your suggestion.

                      #4886
                      Avatar photoMike Halloran
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                        You can do it with any Publishing Software – ‘print’ each Encore file in a graphic file (I mostly used TIF Files…

                        All well and good but the free and inexpensive publishing apps cannot edit PDF files—and there are many reasons to want this. Rehearsal numbers come immediately to mind. Much easier to edit font info than pictures if you want to continue.

                        I use Adobe Acrobat, Adobe Photoshop Elements and Swift Publisher to finalize my scores for distribution but not Encore. Slurs look so amateurish in the Mac version that there’s no point. I’m using Finale 27 through Christmas when I will try to get back into Dorico to find a workflow I can live with.

                        Looking over previous editions done in Encore… There are things about it I really miss that I can’t be duplicated in Finale.

                        #4915
                        Avatar photoQweQwe
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                          The only software that can put multiple movements/sections on the same page in parts and score is Dorico.

                          #4918
                          Avatar photoMike Halloran
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                            The only software that can put multiple movements/sections on the same page in parts and score is Dorico.

                            That’s not correct. It is handled similarly in both Finale and MuseScore. It’s even possible in Encore but using a page layout app is faster and easier.

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