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  • #4926
    Avatar photojkds
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      ENC 5.0.4.875
      Win10

      –Minor issue–

      On Measures/Swing Playback it defaults to selecting the radio button for ‘8th note’. It may be more practical for the user to have it default to the last selected note type.

      #4932

      I wouldn’t contradict your sentence saying “It may be more practical…”
      However, the implementation of swing in Encore (4 or 5) is quite elementary – and even presents an incoherence between the Win and Mac implementation (or perhaps just the documentation).
      Normally, the swing ratio should be preserved for a while, though mine seems blocked on 75% – which is not the default.
      A swing ration of 66% is most common – for swing notation. Many pieces who are actually swinging at 75% have it explicitly notated with dotted eights- sixteenths pairs (or multiple).

      Now, if Encore 6 comes some day to light, we should not expect that it resembles Encore 5 up to that level of detail. And before that hypothetical moment, it does not help to speculate.

      There is a risk to see a swing implementation as basic as in Overture (eights at 62.5%!)

      #4939
      Avatar photojkds
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        It was a feature request…not a dictum on swing percentages.

        #5245
        Avatar photojkds
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          Addendum to the topic of playback swing – and having no idea how it works in Overture, assuming that will be the basis for this tool, but there is no capacity it seems to be able to add swing to dotted notes, in particular dotted 8th notes. The obvious workaround for audio purposes is spelling a group out in all 16th notes and rests however for print purposes would not always be preferable.

          #5249

          The documentation on music notation seems to mention swing only for eighths. Some software editors offer it for quarters and halves, always undotted though.

          The theoretician would say that a dotted note means ternal, swing is an occasional ternal, what would be the sum of both?

          Frankly, if a melody uses pairs of dotted notes (say eighths) and I’d want to introduce a swing effect, I would write the first one as a quarter, and the second one as an eighth – both undotted. This gives the usual swing ratio of 2:1

          #5250
          Avatar photoMario2
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            I seem to remember that I’d created swing notations using quarter notes and eighth notes, which I then notated as triplets.
            Like this:
            Swinging notesswing 8th.

            #5256
            Avatar photoMike Halloran
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              You can alter swing duration in Encore 5. It’s in the manual and does work.

              That said, it only applies to eighth notes. The OP would like it to apply to other note durations as can be done in Finale, Sibelius and Dorico. I’ve never checked this in Overture.

              #5261
              Avatar photoMike Halloran
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                I really hope none of you are developers on this software.

                Correction to my earlier post:

                Actually, Swing works per the manual in the Mac 5.0.7 version. In addition, it can be applied to notes from whole to 1/32. I just verified this. I wish that I could post a screen shot on this board but that is not possible. The Encore 5 User Guide pages are 190–191.

                I have no way to test this in Windows anymore but, if you can verify without being an asshole, it would be nice to know.

                Overture has contradictory info on Swing notation and Playback, two different functions. I don’t have time to test it this week to see what is real.

                #5262
                Avatar photoJohannes
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                  have no way to test this in Windows anymore but, it would be nice to know.

                  I have just tested: It is working on Windows with Encore 5.0.4.875

                  Swing Playback Encore 5.0.4.875 on Windows 11

                  #5287
                  Avatar photoMike Halloran
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                    I have just tested: It is working on Windows with Encore 5.0.4.875

                    Good to know. Thanks!

                    #5304
                    Avatar photojkds
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                      To Mike Halloran –

                      This is my feature request to the developer which you, as a matter of your modus operandi, the self-designated forum proctologist, to add your out-of-context additions. No thanks.

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