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I was given a 2011 Mac in pristine condition which has OS High Sierra 10.13.6. I would like to dedicate this unit to Encore and remove Encore from my Mac Mini which is running the same OS.
Encore doesn’t run very well over High Sierra and a 2011 Mac cannot run Mojave. There are workarounds for most of the issues but it’s frustrating when you can’t see measure endings and other problems.
You really want a Mac model made 2012–2018. These run Mojave.
Note: I have kept this OS on the Mac Mini strictly to be able to access and print items in Encore. Once Encore is removed from this machine, I will upgrade to Sonoma 14.6.1 which is the OS on two other Macs in my office.
As my friends who control satellites say, “That is a non-problem.” Install Sonoma on a new APFS Volume. Update your High Sierra Volume to Mojave (download the installer from Apple). It’s ridiculously easy. Here’s the Apple Support doc on this. Hold the Option key when starting to change between the volumes—to reboot into the same Volume, select it as the Startup Disk.
Add, delete, or erase APFS volumes in Disk Utility on Mac
Do not Partition your drive; create Volumes instead as needed.
What do you mean by “the OP” ?
It’s a decades old shorthand that means either the ‘Original Post’ or the person who wrote it: ‘Original Poster’.
The 4.5.5 updater should be fine if already installed. Both Andre and I have the complete installers for Windows and Mac but the OP never answered the question: Windows or Mac?
Would anyone have the musical fonts for encore? I have old Macs that will run the program but they won’t open the application and I get a message saying I require the musical fonts. Thank you.
Andre has what you need plus correspondence I received from Richard regarding font and installation problems. If installing the font package doesn’t fix you up, let us know and I’ll go over the necessary steps to resolve installation problems on a Mac.
Mike, or anyone, do you know any details about how the Music XML backward compatibility works here? For example, if an application exports Music XML 4.0 but the other application that imports it only supports 3.x, will the 4.0 file be imported correctly as far as it goes?
The way it works with most apps is that a .musicxml 3.1 or 4.0 file can be imported but any new/incompatible features are ignored (or have weird results). Some apps will pop up a slew of error messages in the process but you just click through and ignore them. The .musicxml extension was new to 3.1.
Since I have Overture 5 and Finale 27 as well as Encore 5.0.7 on my laptops, I could always export a 4.0 file from Finale and import it into the other two to see what happens. I do this now and then with both Dorico and MuseScore to look at their progress on MusicXML.
Finale lets you select the level of .xml, .mxl (compressed) or .musicxml (3.1 and 4.0) version you want to export. When I don’t know what’s on the receiving end, I select .xml 3.0 in my Finale export preferences.
I’m guessing not at first—Don has told us it will be 3.0. MusicXML 3.0 is supported by hundreds of applications including the various scanware and PDF converters out there including SmartScan products and PDFtoMusic Pro.
Very few companies went to 3.1 when it was released along with Finale 25.4 all those years ago (I’m guessing very few; I don’t know of a single one including Sibelius that did). MusicXML 4.0 was released with Finale 27 almost 4 years ago. Last I checked, only Sibelius is fully compatible and that’s because MakeMusic (who owns MusicXML) developed the Dolet 8 plug-in for them before Michael Good, inventor of MusicXML retired. MuseScore and Dorico are getting closer as they implement more features of 4.0.
MusicXML is not something that one just drops into an app. It’s a free toolkit that developers use to integrate the various features into their apps. As someone has liked to argue on the old forums, XML 1.1 (E5 Win) and 1.3 (E5 Mac) should have supported Lyrics and Expressions because the protocol did … true but Richard’s development team never implemented that functionality into Encore 5.
So, the legal status of Encore 5 might as well be that it has become public domain, as that all our licenses have gotten obsolete!
Without saying too much about this and that, I can assure everyone that obsolete licenses never, ever make anything Public Domain. Neither does anything considered abandoned. In the USA and most countries, anything less than 95 years old can be considered under Copyright unless published by the government. There are exceptions but the limit on those is 120 years. The rest of the world follows the limits set by the Berne Convention—death of the last surviving composer or author + 70 years or + 50 years, depending on the country.
Whether or not Don choses to exercise his rights over these old applications is not for me to say.
“I just signed up to say this. I have found a working serial number”
No, you did not, unfortunately.
There are some serial numbers floating around on the internet. Some work; others do not.
J’ai du changer de disque dur ou j’avai le encore .5.0.1 Qui pourrai me e procurer avant que le 6 soit mis en service.
Macintosh or Windows?
The last version of Encore for Windows is 5.0.4. For Mac it is 5.0.7. A couple of us have the files and can send you a download link.
Encore 5 runs far, far better over Mojave than High Sierra. Richard and I went back and forth over the High Sierra issues with him blaming Apple — he was right.
If your Mac was first built 2012–2018, it can run Mojave on an APFS Volume (the 2012 Mac Pro 5.1 must have a Metal Graphics GPU—all other 2012 Macs have it). The key is the year of introduction—the iMac Pro, for example, was still being built in 2020 but it’s officially a 2017 Mac as that was the year it was introduced. Macs introduced earlier or later cannot do this unless running Virtual Machine on a later Intel Mac.
I have a pair of 2012 MacBook Pros running Mojave. Both have been upgraded to SSDs replacing the original mechanical hard drives—an easy, inexpensive DIY upgrade that makes them run much faster.
If I had the desk space, I’d add the least expensive iMac Pro but my MBPs do get the job done. The ones I owned were great machines but I have moved on to a M2 Studio Ultra for my day-to-day.
I only know of Harmony Assistant (Myriad) which has an import function for MTD/Encore files. Developped at Encore 4 time-frame, and slightly modified more than 10 years ago to open Encore 5 files. Depending on the file complexity, it can do a good job (particularly on E4) or be very poor…
Very poor has been my experience, especially with regards to lyrics and expressions. I don’t like the workflow and cannot recommend spending the money. It’s available for a free evaluation, however, so don’t just take my word for it.
I’ve had much greater success with another Myriad product, PDFtoMusic Pro. Export as MusicXML 3 which handles expressions and lyrics, neither of which Encore’s xml export can handle. Open the resulting file in any modern notation app including MuseScore and edit the results. For it to work, you must have saved your Encore file to PDF. If an expression is positioned too close to another element, it will confuse the app but that’s what editing is for. Again, it’s available for evaluation without time limit.
During the Evaluation period, PDFtoMusic Pro will export only one page. Some get around this by exporting single pages as pdf and converting one at a time. There’s an equally cumbersome workflow to re-assemble in Finale. I can detail it if anyone needs.
I have extracted all of the font installers from Encore 5 for Mac and have emailed them to Andre. If anyone emails me, I can also reply and attach them. Decode the following: l o w f l a t (at) a o l dot c o m. Please put something in the title that lets me know you haven’t sent me spam like, I need encore fonts.
These will install properly over the latest macOS but this does not mean that they will work. The actual font name for Anastasia and other Encore fonts has changed over the years, in addition, the old ones installed in a different directory than now. I am hoping that, since it’s an EPS file that you want to read in Adobe, this will work. Again, to install, double-click on each font to open, them click Install.
If there are macOS Security issues, post them here—I know the workarounds.
Please let us know if this works for you.
Mike
Andre is right that an old license code from the 1990s will not activate Encore 5 — won’t activate 3 or 4 either, also paid upgrades.
With Encore 5, Anastasia is now five fonts plus a suitcase. One of them, Anastasia -extended-.ttf installs as Anastasia. You’ll want to install them all, of course. I just pulled the installers off my 2012 MBP and verified that they will install over Sequoia. I will zip all the Encore 5.0.7 fonts for Mac and send them to Andre. Double-click on each package to open, click on Install.
The last macOS capable of running 5 is Mojave which requires a Mac with Metal graphics made between 2012–2018. Nothing newer or older will run it. The ‘90s requires a Mac running OS 9. A G4 can be used to open old enough files in 4.5.5 over OS 9, then boot into OS 10.4 Tiger to open and resave those files again. Encore 5.04 can open and save them again. Now, you can load them onto a USB stick and open them in 5.0.7.
I was able to do this before my wife threw away my G4 during an office remodel. Though I still have the installers and licenses, I have no desire to get another G4. Since I have no installed versions of 1—4, I no longer recall how to copy the font installers from those ancient versions.
None of us know if the much anticipated Encore 6 will open files predating Encore 5. It will be nice if it does.
Obsolete is definitely the right word for a computer that is swelling (battery?) over the years…
Huh? I just caught that.
There is no Mac I know with a battery that cannot be replaced. Sometimes, the batteries swell so badly that they take out the motherboard and keyboard in addition to being a fire hazard. Batteries are available on Amazon but the ones with the best warranties come from OWC. If a portable made 2013 or later, you’ll need an inexpensive tool kit to get the right screwdrivers. Any ribbon cable between the battery and case should also be replaced as they get brittle with age and go bad on removal. I’ve done hundreds.
Encore 5.0.7 for the Mac runs best over Mojave on every Mac introduced 2012–2018. These still support Time Machine, too. My Encore machines are a pair of 2012 MacBook Pros with SSDs replacing the mechanical hard drives.
Both have recent batteries and new BT/Wifi cables, the ones that run between the back cover and battery. My daughter’s 2015 has a keyboard cable in the same location and it had to be replaced as well.
